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    reparations be allocated?allocated!?
    Native American Trust Fund: money belonging to individual Indians was pilfered, skimmed, redirected or thrown in with general government funds by the United States department of Interior or its appointed representative.
    Things to think about:
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Wednesday, April 6

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    the overnment simplybecausesimply because they have
    Where will the money come from to fund such programs (taxes or company donations)?
    Should those who lived during the time of when treaties were broken receive a monthly pension for the rest of their lives?
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    the overnment simply becausesimplybecause they have
    Where will the money come from to fund such programs (taxes or company donations)?
    Should those who lived during the time of when treaties were broken receive a monthly pension for the rest of their lives?
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Wednesday, February 10

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    from the governmentovernment simply because
    Where will the money come from to fund such programs (taxes or company donations)?
    Should those who lived during the time of when treaties were broken receive a monthly pension for the rest of their lives?
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Tuesday, April 9

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    Indians had no conception of land rights; therefore, how can the US compensate for something the Indians had no concept of. (Corlett 165)
    Americans did not illegally acquire land, americans have settled and developed it. Americans have gained a moral right to the land. (This is called the Acquired Rights trumping Original Rights Argument). (Corlett 171)
    For Reparations:
    Reparations can simply be compensatory and need not be an apology (eye for and eye principal). (Corlett 150)
    Reparations may also be a means by which acknowledgement for a wrongdoing is initiated. Forgiveness is not necessary, but the act of restitution sits well for the federal government. (Corlett 151)
    The U.S. government has clearly committed substantial historic rights violations against millions of Native Americans. Therefore, the historic rights violations of the United States’ government against Native Americans ought to be rectified by way of reparations. (Corlett 152)
    One who inherits property does not deserve it if it was based upon an immoral acquisition or transfer (Corlett 159).
    Some Indians wrote of land as if it was their property. Suggests Indians had a consciousness of something being stolen (Corlett 167)
    It is not necessarily the amount of reparations, but the principal of offering. (Corlett 190)

    Source used: Corlett, J. Angelo. Race, Racism and Reparations. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 2003.
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Wednesday, March 21

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Tuesday, March 20

  1. msg OUR DEBATE! message posted OUR DEBATE! Hey all, here is what we went over last night at the meeting for our SUPER DEBATE SQUAD haha. We…
    OUR DEBATE!
    Hey all, here is what we went over last night at the meeting for our SUPER DEBATE SQUAD haha.

    We concluded this:

    Pro-reparations-

    Opening Statement: Our argument will revolve around the injustices of the Native American holocaust perpetuated by the United States government. The annihilation, extermination and cultural genocide cast upon the Native American populations has led them into lives of poverty and despair. For this, they deserve payments, whether in the form of cash, land or formal tribal recognition by the American people and government.

    Argument 1: Native Americans were forced to assimilate to white America, which forced them from practicing and understanding their own heritage. Assimilation can be seen in the attempt to take their children and teach them the ways of the "new" America in the Carlisle Indian School. Native Americans were made to feel inferior, and stripped of individual tribal uniqueness. They all were simply "Indians". Native Americans were not allowed to follow a route of self-determination, which was allegedly promoted by Woodrow Wilson after World War II for people across the world. Through broken treaties and trickery, the United States government was able to gain access to all of the lands inhabited by the Native American tribes of North America.

    Rebuttal and supporting information:
    a. Native Americans are not asking for cash alone, they are asking for land that was illegally obtained from them in land cessions, as well as to become formally recognized by the government to gain connections to their heritage and past.
    b. Poverty rates and alcoholism are two of the most predominant problems on and in Native American tribes. These issues must be met with governmental support if Native American people are to ever get out of their dilemma.

    Argument 2: Not all people who "claim" Native American heritage can gain the benefits of reparations. Only Native American groups who become formally recognized cam receive the reparations. This system allows for checks and balances and will deter fraud. The guidelines to become formally recognized are not impossible to follow, and should be accessible for all Native American groups.

    Supporting information:
    a. Need the guidelines to become formally recognized.
    b. How many formally recognized tribes are there?
    c. Type of reparations that are effective for those formally recognized tribes.
    d. Sovereignty of Native American tribes is important, we may need some info that shows the benefit of their sovereignty.

    Concluding statements:

    1.) We should try to focus on the way that reparations are going to help. Looking at systems that will help to build up the Native American populations, such as education, strong tribal infrastructure and rehabilitation programs.

    Anti-reparations-

    Opening statements: While injustices were certainly shown against Native American tribes, why are they the only group in America to be eligible for reparations. The United States since its founding has made it a habit of persecuting minority groups, would this cause a landslide for all those whose ancestors have been treated poorly by the government to seek payments in some form? Reparations have been paid to some Native American groups, sovereignty has been allowed, however poverty rates and the other problems known (alcoholism, illiteracy) are still rampant in tribes. When does the United States government become unaccountable for the problems of tribal leaders and their populations? When will the reparations need to end in order to pay the debt that history has cast upon the government?

    Argument 1: Why do only Native Americans get reparations? Throughout the history of America, many groups have been persecuted. None more than the African slaves who were displaced from their CONTINENT and brought to America for FORCED labor. This forced labor allowed for the steady growth of the American economy in its infancy. Other groups, from Europe have also been subjected to persecution, as well as many Asian populations, most notably the Irish, Italian, Chinese and Japanese. Where do reparation claims end? Why should they only extend to Native Americans? Shouldn't American pay for all indiscretions if they are to pay for one?

    Necessary supporting information:
    a. We need to be ready with estimated totals of African-American reparations payments.
    b. Also should try to have at least one example of a European / Asian group being subjected to indiscretions and discrimination by the government.

    Argument 2: Where is the money going to come from to pay for the reparations? If reparations are going to be in the form of land grants, where are these lands going to be? Is the money already allocated, or will it take new tax dollars in an already dwindling economy of America to pay for these debts? Why should Americans today pay for the injustices done by their ancestors?

    Supporting rebuttal and information:
    a. Mismanagement of the reparations may be made. Who gets the money? Does it go to each person within a tribe? A tribal group who then finds the proper way to manage and allocate any monetary reparations?
    b. When do the reparations payments end? Who decides how much is actually helpful?
    c. If high poverty rates and other issues continue on reservations and within Native American communities, when does the government stop becoming the scapegoat for these issues?

    Concluding statement:

    1.) Focus on why Native Americans?
    2.) Why should Americans today pay for the past injustices.

    Speakers as of right now are going to be:

    Opening statement (either side): Nicole Tonty

    Pro: Argument 1- assimilation and broken treaties - Michael Sirota
    Argument 2- formal recognition, fraud deterrent - Andreanna Mond
    Rebuttal and conclusion- whoever wants to (I can) -- maybe Joshua Murkens?

    Against: Argument 1- why Native Americans? - Lindsey Vavala
    Argument 2- where is $? Americans / taxes today? -- Dave Markley ( or Joshua Murkens)
    Rebuttal and conclusion- anyone who feels confident (again, I can)

    See you tonight at 6 pm at the library. If you see something here you dont like, let me know.
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Monday, March 19

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    Both where mistreated in the past; one had their land taken while the other was taken from their land; slavery, killings and other atrocities were experienced by both however todate, our Native Americans recieve restitution from the government while our African Americans do not. Our Native Americans have reservations at which some laws do not apply; our African Americans do not. Many of our Native Americans live, work, pay their share of taxes and adhere to laws outside the reservation boundaries and may even do so by choice. Our African Americans dont have that option and nor should they since we are "one nation". All Americans should be held to the same standards. Many of our American people regardless of back grounds were mistreated in the past; Mexican Americans, Japanese Americans, African Americans, ect and are not receiving restitution; why should our Native Americans be any different?
    is there anyway to get the years that these laws/protocols were put into place? knowing that would strengthen the argument either way.
    From Josh Murkens:
    Here are some websites with useful number about why the Native Americans need reparations:
    Alcohol and Drug Abuse
    http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k10/182/AmericanIndian.htm
    Health Stats
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/indfacts.htm
    Health Care Coverage
    http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/nahealth/nabroken.pdf
    Various Statistics
    http://www.nativevillage.org/Messages%20from%20the%20People/Population%20statistics.htm
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    Poverty
    http://www.spotlightonpoverty.org/ExclusiveCommentary.aspx?id=0fe5c04e-fdbf-4718-980c-0373ba823da7
    Most Populous Indian Reservations Unemployment
    Pine Ridge Reservation SD,NE
    http://www.backpacksforpineridge.com/Stats_About_Pine_Ridge.html
    Fort Apache Reservation
    http://old.azcommerce.com/doclib/COMMUNE/ft%20apache.pdf
    Gila River Indian Reservations
    http://www.cba.nau.edu/caied/gila2005.pdf

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    How do you pay those who did not directly suffer?
    Will there be a certain age where people start receiving payments?
    Against Reparations:
    The question of
    reparations
    Indians
    puts at risk the legitimacy of the United States’ existence. How can the USA exist if it must pay reparations for land seizure? (Corlett 149)
    Some Indians
    drove off
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    lands. The USA and white people areUS is not necessarily responsible for all atrocities. Native(Corlett 160)
    Native
    Americans have already gotten reparationsqualify for affirmative action. (Corlett 164) There already has been Indian reparations, from the past. Reparations can be seen as a hand out and how can the U.S. govt afford it. African Americans suffered equally and have flourished why can't the Native Americans do the same. Indians(Corlett 170)
    Indians
    had no
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    land rights; sotherefore, how can the U.S. give them backUS compensate for something that they never had. Land boundaries ofthe Indians are unknown and racial makeup is unknown. Americanshad no concept of. (Corlett 165)
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    did not illicitlyillegally acquire land andland, americans have settled/developed it; therefore, theysettled and developed it. Americans have gained
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    the land. Great War reparations were disastrous. Indian reparations could turn out similarly.(This is called the Acquired Rights trumping Original Rights Argument). (Corlett 171)
    For Reparations:
    Reparations can simply be compensatory and need not be an apology (eye for and eye principal). (Corlett 150)
    Reparations may also be a means by which acknowledgement for a wrongdoing is initiated. Forgiveness is not necessary, but the act of restitution sits well for the federal government. (Corlett 151)
    The U.S. government has clearly committed substantial historic rights violations against millions of Native Americans. Therefore, the historic rights violations of the United States’ government against Native Americans ought to be rectified by way of reparations. (Corlett 152)
    One who inherits property does not deserve it if it was based upon an immoral acquisition or transfer (Corlett 159).
    Some Indians wrote of land as if it was their property. Suggests Indians had a consciousness of something being stolen (Corlett 167)
    It is not necessarily the amount of reparations, but the principal of offering. (Corlett 190)
    Source used: Corlett, J. Angelo. Race, Racism and Reparations. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 2003.

    Human rights and humanitarian treaties: The right to effective remedy and duty to provide reparation
    International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
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